Some of the stuff that ends up in our mailbox
Unfortunately we can only publish the ones that aren’t laced with profanity.
Especially the foul language we regularly receive from this noni zealot.
A message from Australia
Our response can be seen in red
I downloaded 25 of the pages on this site and a very frustrating business it was.
We suspect Noni doesn’t improve eye-sight because this site only has a total of two pages. Well, three now.
Most of the first pages only have half of the text printed, so I cannot see all the words. I can assure you that most of the information as printed is very old - years old - and much of it is incorrect. I will highlight some outstanding points, but please forgive me I have just far too much to do to go on for too long.
We suspect the author of the above has far too much Noni to sell, this being based on the implication that the author admits to being involved in the marketing and/or sales of Noni Juice.
May I also suggest that you peruse the company website - www.tni.com, go to Company, then Press Room, Spokespeople - see Dr Heinicke, Dr Williams, Dr Westernhoff, Dr Mian-Ying Wang etc etc. Have a search through these pages.
Funny how people in marketing and sales of Noni Juice always refer to the TNI website as a source of information. Many other sales folks have gone as far as to say anything published that is not part of the TNI propaganda machine is incorrect or otherwise false. We only find it common sense that any company would surround itself with people that will provide statements and material that favors the company. Otherwise they wouldn’t be publishing it, now would they?
Note the United Nations Award from 2004 - no company receives this type of publicity unless they are ethical and honest.
And politicians of any type and denomination can never be corrupt in any way, of course. There are many people on this world who would go as far as to believe the UN is a corrupted organization. Ergo, any awards provided are as subjective as the oppinion of each individual on the UN.
Also note one serious ommission -our product Tahitian Noni Juiuce is listed in the Physicians Desk Reference.
The same goes for lethal drugs and various poisons. What’s your point?
Oh, and another one - In the Cancer Letters of 2000, from the New York Academy of Sciences, after peer review of the ongoing Cancer research papers presented by Dr Mian-Ying Wang from the Rockford University, Chicago, their statement said “eating 5 servings per day of fruit and vegetables, and drinking (only) Tahitian Noni Juice could inhibit the growth of certain cancers”. (Shame you missed that one!).
It *could*, perhaps. But it’s not a fact that it will nor is there any factual information on any percentage or volume in which it “could”. It is remarkable how individuals involved in the Noni “industry” always take a single sentence out of context.
1. Firstly, never mentioned in the articles is the company 100% Money Back Guarantee Policy - that would totally reply to the comments regarding worried people being “scammed” into paying out money for their sick family and friends.
Which always works out great if you buy the substance in places where you may not be physically able to return it. Nor are there any details on the amount of people who have received refunds from either TNI or their distributors. As most people know the “money back guarantee” slogans often result in a lengthy process that just doesn’t make it worth the effort. And on top of that there’s the terminally ill patients that get suckered into buying Noni Juice and unfortunately don’t live to tell about it’s wonderful effects, nor be able to demand a refund.
2. Secondly the company policy is very strong on the fact that all distributors should not make any claims - the company DOES NOT make any claims, they go strongly in the opposite direction - and the discussed claims in this article are being made by unethical distributors who, if reported to the company, would be terminated. The company have been fined
Only after having served their purpose in selling sufficient amounts and thereby being of financial benefit, of course. What isn’t said or published are the numbers of distributors that are terminated and the amount of time involved between discovery and termination.
In the company material, it has always been stated from Day 1, that 80% of people will find a result with drinking the juice
This being the result of their wallets being lighter?
- I guess with the millions now doing so, that other 20% could add up to quite a number. I feel sorry for them if they don’t
Feeling sorry for people that are not of financial benefit to you or your associates? Interesting.
am even a little skeptical of this, as I am not sure if they have taken enough in quantity to give the “juice” a fair trial. I note that Dr
Should we read that as “not sure they have given me enough money to be able to have an oppinion or conclusion”?
Neil Solomon PhD, in “The Noni Phenomenon” says he believes that every drinker would have a result if they a) drank enough TNJ and b) drank TNJ for long enough.
Maybe if you continue taking in enough and drinking it for a period of 200 years you might actually be allowed to have an oppinion on the long term benefits. Or does the length of time and amount taken in extend all the way upto the death of an individual? Furthermore the beliefs of individuals does not constitute a fact.
4. There is a mention regarding the “EU” classification - please read the testimonial of Dr Johannes Westerndorf to see his point of view.
Which basically says Noni isn’t toxic. Geewhizz, imagine if it was! Then all the articles debunking the Noni propaganda might be writing about entirely different things.
And once again, it is all based on testimonials whereby these are provided by the company. How much does one get paid, or what other interesting benefits might there be involved in allowing the company to use such material, we wonder.
5. “Sugary Juice or Water” - there are no added sugars whatsoever in Tahitian Noni Juice. Only natural fruit sugars occur.
Please refer to the individual(s) who wrote that on their site and go ask them if they would please change their wording. We are not responsible for the quotes of others that we link to.
6. “Pyramidal” companies - Illegal pyramidal companies are strictly just that. Pn the other hand, most governments, churches, businesses have a pyramid structure - someone at the top, and layers of management
It is unfortunate and amazing that the company has been unable to sell and market its products in ways that do not border on, what is seen by many laws, as borderline. Of course, if you have a fleet of lawyers at your hand, paid for by the revenue from people drinking large amounts of expensive Noni Juice, you can find ways to border on the pyramidal business concepts that are forbidden in many countries.
underneath. Tahitian Noni Internation/Morinda is a legally registered distribution company, working in 73 countries to date. All certification and documentation is legitimate, and a team of accountants, administrators, lawyers work to keep it so.
Oddly enough their fleet of lawyers have not been able to debunk the sites that debunk the propaganda of the company and thier distributors.
7. “Organic Noni” is not a TNI product.
We never said it was. The site does not focus solely on TNI products but I know you might find that hard to believe given that you seem to assume we are affiliated in some way with competitors of TNI, which we certainly aren’t. In case it has not been clear to you, the site contains many links to articles regarding Noni related products regardless of their origin and manufacturer. Perhaps those involved in the Noni business are too Noni-minded to be able to see that. Though in that case it makes us wonder what else might be clouding, or influencing, their mind.
8. In the article “Noni Juice:A Miracle “cure” from the South Pacific” by Deborah Wirtel I would like to say that we never use the word “cure” - that is strictly forbidden by the company. This is clearly set out in the
In that case you may wish to inform Deborah of that instead of telling us.
I have lost count of local doctors who say “dont know what you are doing, but keep it up”. Also many of our doctors have checked out the details for themselves, and say “It can’t hurt you, and you never know if could help you”.
And we are all glad that they do because it is not a doctor’s perogative to tell people what they should and shouldn’t do when it comes to harmless non-toxic but otherwise ineffective substances. Most doctors would be happy to see patients feel better if all they are taking is a placebo. Doctors should also not be minions of the pharmaceutical industry. And just in case you were wondering, we are not related, affiliated, or associated with any pharmaceutical company or the industry as a whole.
9. The TAHFIN page is mostly correct.
We don’t have a TAHFIN page, whatever that might be. We don’t even have that word, if it even is a word, contained on any of our pages. Should we conclude that Noni Juice has a detrimental effect eye-sight?
10. The Moss Greene article in “BellaOnline” is nothing more than sensational journalism, however a mention of the TNI 100% Money Back
Maybe you should consider telling her that.
Guarantee would totally destroy everything else that she has written there.
We doubt it would, given the amount of text you are using in order to attempt to do the same which you claim the mention of the guarantee itself would already do.
11. I guess the “Noni Goose Juice” should be mentioned - I suppose they refer to Dr Joel Wallach who has absolutely no connection to our company whatsoever. However it could be noted that this man was nominated for a Nobel Prize?
Otto Hahn (1879-1968) was awarded the 1944 Nobel Prize for Chemistry, the basis which later on led to the instigation of the Manhattan Project and the development of the Atomic Bomb.
12. In the Philippines the Morinda/TNI company was forced to close down back in 1999-2000 due to a “Dirty Tricks” program which cost the drug companies at least US$250,000-00. The end result was when the Senator Juan Flavier, Minister for Health in that country, offered his sevices as ambassador for Morinda/TNI, and who consequently travelled to Australia to apologise and talk at the TNI Convention in Sydney, to refute the bad and incorrect information that had been bandied about. The company eventually opened up again in the Philippines.
Funny how allegiances and associations change according and in direct relation of one’s income and finances. We recently received a message from someone you know who claimed you can’t take the business or journalism ethics the Philippines seriously since, as it was implied, people there are on the payroll of whoever says they’ll pay them the most. Wether or not we agree on that, there does seem to be a pattern to it so perhaps it may also cover the situation with Mr. Flavier.
The bottom line appears to be the marketing of our juice by the independent distributors. Our company very strictly sets out in the Policies and Procedures just how this may or may not be handled. The company do their best to monitor this but with so many enthusiastic people worldwide now, who have seen positive results from drinking the “juice”, it is almost impossible to catch all the offending ones.
And how many are caught? And how many are terminated? And how long does it take between discovery and termination? And does TNI or its distributors take action towards those who were misled? And how much revenue is generated by distributors before they are “caught”? And how much of that revenue is financially beneficial to the manufacturer?
I also believe the actions of these distributors is more to do with “caring” rather than making money.
Yours beliefs are evidently dissimilar to those of many others.
However, if the company are directed to unethical and incorrect marketing statements, they act immediately, and if those people do not respond, they are terminated.
Is that why there are still so many distributors today that are into all sorts of sales activities that include e-mail spam, agressive sales efforts, selling it as cures for just about anything you can imagine? Perhaps it is the negative side effect of the business model chosen to sell Noni products… the same negative side effect that does actually provide a positive financial benefit.
We hear from so many very grateful customers, so this web site really offends us.
Too bad. We hear from many others that do not share the same sympathies for the substance, the way it is marketed or sold, etc. You can’t please all the people all the time so if the links on our site to articles on many other sites offends you, then that’s your right; to feel offended.
The truth may be far from these pages - it could be just part of a “dirty tricks” campaign, set in place by jealous competitors.
If the truth may be far from it, then the truth could actually also be far grimmer and worse. And no, again, we are not affiliated with any kind of competitor or any other product that might have anything to do with Noni whatsoever. You, on the other hand, clearly are receiving some benefit from your involvement in the marketing and/or sales.
I certainly have no intention of it stopping me from telling my “Noni Story”. There are very obviously millions of people who need to know about this product.
Go right ahead. We would not even be able to stop you from telling your “Noni Story” nor would we want to impose limits on freedom of speech, provided that governing laws are respected by those making use of their freedom of speech. We also don’t believe in publishing incorrect and intentionally false propaganda like some other folks in the Noni business have suggested we should do (in exchange for certain amounts of money). If, like many in the Noni business, we were interested in money, we would probably have one of those pro-Noni propaganda sites instead of our collection of links to articles in which a more critical approach is shown.
Everyone (and their animals) in the world should trial it - it could just work for them all! No one should be denied this opportunity to be healthier and happier - as I am.
Good for you.
Please let me know if you would like to receive a true and accurate assessment of Tahitian Noni Juice, with scientific and medical reference backup.
If it’s more of the same lame propaganda by the manufacturers then, no thanks, we have seen it before and it is all nicely written material with a lot of words and very little content.
Also a matter of interest - the www.worldwidescam.com website wrote a 12 page positive report of our company and our product - I believe this was the only positive report that they ever wrote.
Were they paid for it? Did they receive any benefits in doing so? Given how our site has had such offers before we have to take any sudden changes in factual reporting with a grain of salt. Sorry.